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Yaman's avatar

I just want to respond to verse 2:191.

The meaning of this verse is: And fight those who fight you, and do not attack children, women, or the elderly, and kill those who fight you wherever you find them, not as you think.

You didn't bother looking and took this information out of your pocket.

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Ancestral Vril's avatar

Wrong. 2:191 justifies bloodshed due to oppression. But what does that mean? Oppression here means living under non-Muslim rule. This is why you get extremely violent in greater numbers under another ideology.

Teachings on killing women and children are contradictory in Islam. But here goes: Deliberate killing of children is not permissible unless during a night raid or when the boy grows pubic hair. Sparing women is with the idea in mind that they're to be sold as sex slaves later.

Some jurists think that all men should be killed on grounds of being unbelievers (whether they're handicapped or elderly) and women/children to be spared because they're Muslim property. Islamic scholars contradict each other on this topic for centuries.

Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 14, Number 2664

Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4390

Sahih Muslim, Book 019, Number 4322

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Yaman's avatar

My dear, the verse talks about fighting everyone who fights you, meaning fight the army or everyone who carries weapons against you.

oppression is never mentioned in this verse

You attack that Islam permits the killing of children and eldary, and this is absolutely a lie

Go and read the massacres that were carried out in Jerusalem by the Crusaders in 1099, and you will see the killing you are talking about on your part.

As for female slaves, this is common in all ancient wars, except that Islam honored all slaves and ordered that they be treated kindly.

As for the difference of jurists on the subject of killing the elderly, I have not heard of this in my life because the Prophet categorically forbade and prohibited it.

“Whenever the Messenger of God, may God bless him and grant him peace, sent a company, he would say, ‘Fight in the name of God and in the cause of God, and fight those who disbelieve in God. Do not exceed, do not betray, do not mutilate, and do not kill an infant, a woman, or an old person.’”

Source: Al-Mu’jam Al-Awsat: 4/268

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